no money, no savings, no healthcare, nothing. i ended up at a place here in new jersey called thomas edison state college, the second biggest in new jersey, it's a correspondence degree. i got my whole degree when i was 30 for $10,000. my whole college degree in $10,000 in today's dollars. i'm not suggesting that georgetown university needs to serve -- let's call me a loser -- you don't have to serve me. but what can georgetown and syracuse and a lot of other great private universities do to serve more people who are underserved? >> sure. sure. >> two points and i want to come back to your experience, but in answer to your direct question. what we've done is built pipelines with schools that are providing opportunity in the fourth quartile. in the lowest socioeconomic status. the new exciting set of schools, 25 across the nation, first one established in chicago in 1996. we have 51 students at georgetown right now. we do a summer institute for rising seniors. we're doing the same with kipp schools, we have theater programs within